Yoga Teacher Confidential: Secrets of Becoming a Great Yoga Teacher

Confident Theming: Teaching Yoga Beyond the Poses with Alexandra DeSiato

• Sage Rountree • Season 1 • Episode 21

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How can you theme your yoga classes with confidence? Theming is what transforms a sequence into an experience, leaving students inspired long after class ends. But for many teachers, theming—especially when it involves yoga philosophy—can feel intimidating.

In this episode, my longtime collaborator Alexandra DeSiato joins me to share her expert insights on how to theme authentically, balance personal and universal themes, and engage students in a meaningful way. We also discuss our new book, Teaching Yoga Beyond the Poses, Volume 2, and why it’s a game-changer for yoga teachers looking for fresh inspiration.

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Can I tell you something? People come to yoga to be moved. One of my colleagues likes to say that you could go to the gym, to therapy, and to church— or, you could go to yoga. In Season 1, Episode 16 of this podcast, I talked about designing your lesson plan like choosing a meal. If your sequencing is the meal, your theming is the wine pairings, or the mocktails, or the kombucha, or tea, to drink alongside your meal. It elevates the experience and gives a warm glow to your students. And if you take some care to pair the beverage with the meal, the whole experience is elevated. It makes everything more fantastic. I'm Sage Rountree, and this is Yoga Teacher Confidential. Let's talk about theming, what it is, why it matters, and the secrets of how to do it with confidence. You might know that I have co written not one, but now two books on theming, Teaching Yoga Beyond the Poses and Teaching Yoga Beyond the Poses, Volume 2, publishing in March 2025. It has 54 all new themes and an evolved theming template, so it's completely fresh material. Today, I am delighted to welcome my co author, Alexandra Desiato, to the podcast to chat all things theming. Alexandra is my closest collaborator. She began as my protege, or shall we call it mentee. She needed no protection. She is fierce and more than capable of protecting her own self. Now she and I have written three books together. Teaching yoga beyond the poses and it's volume two and the book called lifelong yoga, our book on yoga for healthy aging. That one makes a great gift. She co wrote a book called whole mama yoga, a book that shows readers how to find support from their yoga practice, taking them all the way from preconception through pregnancy to the postpartum period. And then on into parenting. Side note, that book has the cutest illustrations you ever did see. In fact, if you look carefully, you might recognize the hand of the very same artist who penned my affirmation cards that appear in the video version of this podcast and on my social media. Those cards are coming soon as a physical, tangible card deck. Okay, that artist is my talented daughter, Vivian, but back to Alexandra. She took over leading the 200 hour yoga teacher training at my studio, Carboro Yoga Company, and she is on the faculty in our 300 slash 500 hour training, too. Alexandra is a fantastic teacher across a wide range of styles. She teaches flow, gentle yoga for seniors, pre and postnatal yoga, and also Pilates. Her superpower, though, is in her masterful communication skills. She can connect with students quickly in very genuine ways that elevate their experience in class. I am so happy to have her at my studio, I'm so happy to have her in my life, and I'm so happy to have her as my collaborator, and now as my guest on the podcast. Hi, Alexandra. So great to have you here. Hi Sage. It's wonderful to be here with you to chat about one of my favorite topics. So, what is theming? What is theming? Is a question that sort of begets another question because what is theming I think leads us to also question why is theming important in the context of a yoga class? So what is theming? It's bringing an intention your students beyond just poses and It's bringing, um, something that is inspiring to students so that when they leave the practice, they didn't just move their body, but they, they have something to chew on in their, in their mind and their spirit. Um, and I think that leads us to why is it important in yoga and it's important to yoga because yoga is not just another group fitness class. You know, there's, there's a saying that I love. It's, you can go to church. Your gym or your therapist, or you can just go to yoga. Perfect. I actually mentioned that in the intro already, so I know we are on the same page on so many things. Now, I think, uh, since the whole focus of this first season of the podcast is helping teachers build confidence in class, I think talking about philosophy is probably one of the scarier things that, um, leads yoga teachers to a crisis of confidence. Do you agree? Definitely. It's absolutely intimidating to talk about these ancient philosophical concepts. And I think any time were talking about those things, new yoga teachers, especially might feel disingenuous. Um, you know, this stuff is really esoteric unless, unless we can ground it and make it right. very approachable. And I think the end to it not feeling so intimidating is looking for the ways. That we, that teachers, um, find themselves inspired by yoga philosophy, yoga philosophy, find themselves noticing it and getting interested in the, the, the parts of it that speak to them and resonate with them. And then, you know, when you find that as a teacher, when you think like, oh, Santosha contentment, that's a, that's that's a theme I think about a lot in relation to myself. That starts to feel really authentic to talk about to other people. If it's something that you've digested and experienced and explored. know, on your own first, so I do think it can be intimidating, but I think there's a path out of that, that for sure. Um, and that's something that you and I, you know, try to offer in both of the books that we, um, have written on theming, uh, teaching yoga beyond the poses and teaching yoga beyond the poses volume two, which is coming out this spring. I think really our goal there was to make theming this accessible thing —this part of yoga teaching that wasn't so scary. Yeah, I think it's many teachers aspire, like the reason why they're even yoga teachers is because yoga gave them something more, like you said, it's something more than just like a group fitness experience and, um, As a consequence, we want to share that, but it can feel inaccessible or difficult or like something you would need a divinity degree or a philosophy degree to do with authority. So who are we to speak about these things? We are humans who have something to share. Right. And you know, the only person who's showing up front and center to your life, 24 seven is yourself. So, you know, I'm the one who gets to see when I model great behavior and when I act out of places that are in alignment with yoga philosophy. And I'm also the one who gets to be front and center when I'm in the car pickup line, getting my daughter from school. And I say something like drive your@%^#$%& car to the person in front of me. Okay. quietly. Well, maybe not so quietly, but at least in my car. So they're not hearing me. Um, but I'm the person who sees both of those things. And that's the case for all of us, right? We see our, um, the, the moments where we act with, you know, within the, in alignment with our values. And we see the moments that we make those errors. Um, and I think because of that, can, that can, as a yoga teacher, that can kind of mess with your confidence or it can make you think, Oh man, who am I to talk about non harming? If in the car rider pickup line, I said like, drive your !&^@*! Car. Like maybe, maybe I added you idiot in my mind. Who am I then to talk about nonharming, or ahimsa. we really have to sit with as yoga teachers and flawed human beings. And that is that we're not perfect and we're not gurus, nor are we aspiring to be perfect gurus. I'm a flawed human being. And, and I christened the car rider line at the slow drivers. And I still can offer inspiration to my yoga students, and I still can say things of value to them. And I still can share my lived experience and offer, um, that in tandem with philosophy so that they've got something that might, might, you know, ease their day a little bit. And I think our favorite teachers are the ones who show that they are human without being unnecessarily, um, vulnerable or sharing too much information is that we see their humanity and their flaws and their fallibility and we take it as a plus. Pro as a plus as a pro and not as something that makes them less than it makes them fuller. It makes them, um, better avatars for delivering these teachings. Yeah, I think, you know, I think that's the difference too, between maybe how you and I think about what it means to be a yoga teacher, um, and maybe like the sort of old school way of what it meant to be a yoga teacher. Um, I don't, I don't want to talk in an ethereal voice and sit on a pedestal and, and, and Um, you know, I'm just, I'm a human being and I'm a mom and I have a temper and I, you know, sometimes sit in meditation and I sometimes eat some ice cream. Like it, I'm a human being. And I think that we're all human beings and we're all struggling to, um, be the best version of ourselves. Um, and, um, I think that when we bring that to our students and talk about our moments of struggle or talk about our moments of enlightenment, um, then we are, we're really serving them, uh, a human being to human being, not guru to student. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. about building confidence, especially in, you know, in the seat of the teacher, this can be something that's really challenging for new teachers. And that is to find the balance between showing up as yourself, showing up and taking up space and leading the class, but also name. This is the P. P. C. P. P. P. Is it a P S? P S. P S. P S. You asana cues and breath cues and theme and intention. It involves being quiet. It involves, um, talking about yourself, maybe in service to your theme, but not talking about yourself to fill space or because you're so important. so it's, it's balancing all of those little pieces. you say that that's true? Yes, it's a fine line. And the only way that you get to balance on any level, physical, mental, spiritual balance of talking in quiet in classes to sometimes wobble and find out like, Ooh, it didn't feel good to tell that story about my husband, you know, or, or. Oh, that, that just, that felt too vague and too broad. It needed to be a little bit more vulnerable and a little bit more specific. And those little steps down of your raised leg and tre pose are what, uh, eventually actually gets you into tre pose with more stability is to give yourself the grace and permission to have messed up and to figure out, okay, where exactly is the right line here? I love that analogy of connecting, like playing with theming. How much do I talk about the personal and how do I connect it to the universal? love the analogy of talking about that in relation to Asana because in some ways they are very similar to your point. The only way you get into tree pose is by figuring out where you want your foot to be. Or, uh, the only way you eventually achieve strong balance in tree pose is by falling out of balance quite often. Um, But I think, you know, that is true for theming as well, to your point, the only way that you figure out what themes land and how you create a theme that's both personal and universal is to try and it can feel really awkward sometimes. think one of the things that's so important to note is I think it's, this is a case for me. I wonder if it's a case for you. I think it's more nerve wracking to talk about yoga philosophy and my experience with it and how I'm perceiving it and to weave that into a class than it is for me to try some new asana or to try to teach some new sequence that flops. Yeah, it does. It feels especially, uh, especially vulnerable, even though, yeah, there's, you're not going to bruise your soul, but you might bruise, you might bruise your elbow falling out of some fancy arm balance. I just today had my first live call with my test kitchen who are like my beta group testers for this mentorship membership that I'm launching, which is itself a substantial part of the 300 and 500 hour yoga teacher training that we lead at my studio. And one thing that came up, we kind of segued into this kind of teacher's lounge chat. And they were talking about feedback that we get as yoga teachers and realizing, Oh, maybe we should literally ask our. How did that land with you? What do you want more of? And we wound up having a conversation that reprised some of the themes that I've already introduced in this podcast, including we don't really get much feedback as yoga teachers. The feedback that we get is the students keep coming. So if your students return, yeah, if you can retain your students, that is extremely positive feedback. And if you can't retain your students, the converse is though, that isn't necessarily negative feedback. It doesn't mean that you need to change up your teaching. It might just be like it was actually too hard for them, even though they looked like they were bored and it was too easy, or they were in from out of town and you never received that little piece of information and they were never going to come back. You know, there are all these reasons why students don't return, but the reason why they do return is because they liked something about what you had to offer them the first time. And so we were talking about, um, like when we could collect that feedback. And then I said something that I know I've also covered in this podcast, which is like, the end of class is not the best time. Because if you did your job right, your students are kind of in this inner world and almost nonverbal, depending on the class that really the time to ask them, what are you here for is when they get there and literally say like, Oh, it's so great to see you again. What brought you back? You know, is there something that you were looking forward to? And I also feel like that's a nice time to get some. Really, um, honest, raw off the cuff information from your students because they haven't just heard your message and your theme and your, you know, your sermon and your inspiration and like, Oh, that was just when I needed today. When you read that quote from the Mary Oliver poem, because they haven't been set up to say that, so you could wind up getting some really useful, um, straight up feedback about what they're doing there. Yeah. No, I love that. That's such a, that's such a good point. Or even if you. interact with your students via email or list, you know, serve. You could even ask for that stuff, you know, before classes, between classes, like what made you come this week? You know, what did you find valuable about the experience? Why do you come back? I think that's great. Um, I agree that asking students for anything after class is, is not, it's not really fair to them because, you know, when I go to a yoga class and I've made it through Shavasana, I want to just stay in that little sweet bliss state. Spot and head home even being asked for my opinion on the class feels like, no, just let me be, you know, but before the class or even, you know, well after it, I think it's a great time to, to get feedback. And I can't see why that wouldn't apply to theming as well. Like did my theme land or, or even, gosh, if you've got a group of students that you see with some regularity asking something like, What theme or, you know, a bit of yoga knowledge or philosophy have, you know, have I talked about or, or mentioned that's really landed with you or really spoken to you? I think that's a great question. Yeah, and you can even give it a quick preface with a sentence like, I want to be as helpful as possible. So I need to have feedback so I can grow. Yeah. Is there anything that stuck out out of the lessons that we've been exploring in class in the last couple months or whatever? I know you've had this experience. Um, I had a whole episode on expressions in class and so many teachers that are level of, um, years teaching experience will agree. Like it is the students who have the resting bitch face and leave without talking to you after class that then reach out to you later and say, Oh, I was so moved. That was exactly what I needed. You're like, really? Cause you look like you weren't having any fun at all. and that's, you know, I think about myself in a yoga class and if I really am there for my own experience, I may not. I don't interact as much or I might be just a little more closed off. I'm a really friendly and extroverted person, but sometimes I don't want to show up and be friendly and extroverted because frankly, that's the type of performance a little bit, isn't it? Um, you know, I remind my students often at the start of class, like relax all the muscles of your face that have been giving expressions all day. You don't have to smile for me. Um, and so, yeah, to your point, I think it's so true that. Yeah. You know, the students who perhaps look the most stoic or disinterested are the students who most desperately need the practice and your inspiration and your words and the message and the movement and the breath and the silence, you know? So what's our advice to help teachers get started building their confidence and talking about philosophy and theming so that they can reach those students and give them what they need? Yeah, I love that question. And I think the best advice we have, maybe we share this, or maybe you'll tweak it, definitely already in our books, Teaching Yoga Beyond the Poses and Teaching Yoga Beyond the Poses Volume 2. Um, but what I would say, you know, I'll come, I'll come back to that idea, but what I would say is you think about theming, if you think I have to theme and talk about yoga philosophy, that feels very heavy, that feels very like loaded, but instead as a teacher, if you think I want to share something. That has moved me, has spoken to me. I think of something like the concept of Santosha contentment, which is, you know, a bit of yoga philosophy that I come back to all the time personally. Um, it speaks to me personally. I wrestle with being content. I try to center that in my life. And so when I talk about that, I'm not preaching on a theme. I'm sharing a bit of yoga philosophy that authentically connects to my lived experience. Yeah. Yeah. written about and sort of charted in a template form so that a yoga teacher can read it, can find the bits that really speak to them, and they can weave that theme into their class, because to me, that's how you get it. more confident bringing theme into your class. You find something that inspires you and feels natural for you to talk about. And our books really try to offer that up to people like, Hey, here's a theme that we've loved that feels authentic to us. Try it on for size, make some changes to it. See the ways that you could talk about it. Um, see if it inspires you. And then if it does bring it to your students, Yeah, yeah, I love for teachers to know that they don't have to like sit with the book and read the things that we suggest they might like to say to their students. That this is all simply an offering that they can use however they see fit. I'm hearkening back because it's so fresh in my short term memory. Um, in the test kitchen and the mentorship membership, I'm giving people lesson plans. It's a done for you service. Like here is your meal kit for the month. Here is your recipe. Here are the ingredients. Here are the ways that you can season it. Here's, you know, some alternate options for your students. And they're like, so are we supposed to go and teach this like that? Like boom, boom, boom. I was like, yeah, I could, but you don't have to, maybe you already have some stuff that you need to eat from the fridge first, before you start cracking open the meal kit, or maybe you wind up kind of making it, but putting it in the freezer to come back to later. And some of the, because I'm. I'm only guessing at a balanced lesson plan, you know, that's going to be, um, adaptable and useful across a variety of situations. Uh, of course I want you to like pull out pieces and cherry pick it. Like if you got your blue apron kit, you might, you know, just make something and send it off to somebody who needs the food, cause you don't like green peppers and you were never going to eat that anyway, or maybe you're like, I'm just going to eat this dessert out of this meal kit, like whatever, whatever works for you. Yeah. In the recipe, whatever works for you in the theme template. That's how you start to make it your own. That said, it can be really useful to have a model to follow along with at the beginning. So if you're picking up these books for the first time, I know Alexander will be with me to say, um, flip through and whatever catches your, your eye. You've just kind of rifle through the pages and say, ah, Start there and start practicing. Feel free to adapt our words. Feel free to quote our words wholesale. You don't even have to say this comes from this book, you know, try it on, see how it feels, and then start to tweak the recipe to taste because that's, that's how you make it authentically. You is to, to start from the place. Cause you have to have somewhere to start from. You start at the start line, but then you start to, um, to adapt it to whatever feels most resonant for you and more specific to you. Most helpful for your students. You know, your students way better than we would ever know from here on this side of the screen. We're simply guessing. I love that. That's exactly it. And I love you always use food analogies. And when you were sharing that, I was thinking, yeah, because sometimes the way that I might theme is a bit more bacon versus yours is a bit more prosciutto. You know what I'm saying? Like your, your voice might be elevated. Like I'm from a small town in the South. We're bacon all the way, you know?. So, um, yeah. Um, so I think that's like super important is that you look at the recipe and you decide are you, you know, does prosciutto something that you eat or do you want bacon or do you want, you know, your turkey bacon or your tofu bacon or no bacon at all or whatever. So yeah, what a great way to think about it. Yeah. Um, I bet listeners who are familiar with the first book, which I know many people have actually come to find the podcast because they know me through book. Um, I bet they're wondering, well, why would I buy the second book? I already have the first book. Let's outline for them. Some of the things that make this book a completely separate creation of its own. Yeah. Oh, I'm so glad. It's so exciting to talk about this book because it was just a pleasure to write it with you, Sage. Um, it's so fun to write with you. I'm forever, I know you and I both have this experience, but forever when I read the things we've written together, I'm like, man, that's good writing. Was that me? Was that Sage? And I love that I can't tell anymore which parts are written by me and which parts were written by you, but I find myself inspired by our joint efforts together. Um, but what's. going to interject to say, you know, you've got a good partner when it feels like you're doing less than half of the work because there have been times when, yeah, when you and I are both like, boy, I really, I'm sorry. I haven't been picking up the slack. And you're like, what? No, you've been doing it all. That's how you know that you've really got a good partnership. that's definitely how I feel for sure. Yeah. Um, but I love the question of what's different about teaching yoga beyond the poses volume two, or what does it offer readers? And I would say two big things. One is that it presents 54 brand new themes. So if you know, you're a reader listening to this podcast and you really enjoy teaching yoga beyond the poses, teaching yoga beyond the poses. Volume two is It's really fantastic because it's all new themes that have been inspiring Sage and I for the past few years. Um, and we are excited to bring you these new themes, these new ideas that will give you a refresh for your classes. Um, the second, the second thing is a little more structural. Um, well, you know, we could pause there and I was going to say, Sage, do you have a theme that comes to mind from the new book that you're excited to talk about, or just even like a group of themes? Oh, there are so many. Yeah. What are your favorites? Well, I was going to say we do a little more of a deep dive into some pieces of yoga philosophy and some, um, lines from the yoga sutras that, you know, beyond just the Yamas and the Niyamas. And I really love talking about that stuff. And we also have a whole section where we talk about, um, the masculine and feminine energies of Shiva I think that's a really cool section on theming. Um, so those are the ones that I'm really excited for readers to discover. There's a whole section that we have. Um, it's called rebel Yogi. And for me, it felt like the hardest one to write on. It's like one of the last ones that I think both of us got into. And I am not just. Trying to be gracious. I really think you did write most of that, but I felt like it was almost like a third rail. Like, I don't know. I know what do I touch these ideas and these, these kinds of social justice themes. I want to do them justice. I don't want to be reductive with it. And I'm really happy with where we landed with those. Maybe, um, just goes to show that the things you work on the most, you know, maybe avoiding might actually be right where you need to be working. Yeah, no, that's so true. I think now more than ever, those themes are so important. And I think, you know, you and I both wanted to do those, those themes of real service. And so we let them marinate a little longer and I agree. I'm really happy with how they turned out and I hope our readers find a way to integrate those themes into their classes. Um, they're good. They're good stuff. Um, piece that I know we're both really excited about is Um, I know it's, it's been something like five years between the first book and the second book. You and I've had a lot of time to think about how we theme, how we teach yoga, and you've written some really beautiful works in the in between, including your most recent book on sequencing. Um, but I know our big shift is, uh, you know, just some changes we made to the template. The one that comes to mind for me, um, is. In the first book, Teaching Yoga Beyond the Poses, the first volume, we talked about, um, the practices you might include with the theme that we're offering. Oh, sorry. We, we suggested poses you might include with the theme that we're offering. And in the second book, in Volume 2, we suggest practices because, um, You and I have both broadened the things that we might offer in a class. We offer asana and breathwork maybe chanting, maybe music, depending on the context of the class. And so we want to offer, you know, our students the opportunity to think about all of these things they might bring into a theme. Yeah, and we also, um, tweak both the first and the last sections in ways that I think are really helpful. Uh, in the first one, the first book, it says something like, write a little about your theme and now it says, write a little about your theme and make it both personal and universal, which is something you alluded to earlier in this conversation and I think is really helpful. Your students need to know you're not just introducing this kind of vague out there, ethereal topic. It needs to hit home for you so it can hit home for them. And the more specific detail that you can put in whatever story you're telling, um, it's funny. It's kind of ironic because the more specific you can get, the more universal the theme actually becomes because the more that your listeners, your students can put themselves in the, in your. Shoes as you describe, like how it felt to have your daughter slam the door on you and put up the sign that said No Blo mommies. Or how No . Exactly. And that's so, that's such a specific story of yours and it's in the book, but I think the more specific you get with those details, the more people are like, oh, I can really feel how that might have felt in that. You were both kind of laughing at it and not hurt by it, but kind of like, oh, that's interesting. You know, change is tough to process. Definitely. Yeah, I know. That's a, that's a really funny story that I hope readers get to discover as they read along. Um, but you know, it makes me think of, of when you think about theming and when you think about being in the seat of the yoga teacher in general, it's really about showing up and then getting out of the way. And that's sort of what the personal and the universal is. It's like, I'm here, here's my story. Here's my experience of this of yoga philosophy or this. Um, and then let me get out of the way so that you can find you, the student can find your way into this theme and can start to marinate on how this theme, you know, is something that, that speaks to what's happening in your life. Um, and that's really, I think kind of a good, good way to think about that personal and universal connection. Like show up, get out of the way. And then give them something to take away. That is what we've added at the bottom of the theme is to give your students some kind of lawnyard, some kind of like little extra something, something that they can take away with them. And in some of the themes, it's pretty straightforward. It's pretty obvious. It's like, well, you could write out your quote on a card and give it to your students. But other times it's like, there could be some kind of small object that serves as a memento of the class, a little souvenir or my favorite one you came up with. It was like on one of the Shakti themes and it was like, bring in your bag of nail polish and encourage everyone to paint even just a little pinky toe as a reminder of their divine goddess energy. I love that one. Love it. I love that. I hope somebody really like jumps on that one and we get, you know, Instagram shots of pink toenails. Um, Oh, I would love it.. yeah. Yeah, I would love that too. You know, I, I think it's so important that idea of a little takeaway, a little giveaway. Um, when you go to a yoga class that really speaks to your soul through the movement, through the message, and then a teacher offers you, you know, word on a piece of paper or a printed out poem or a spot of nail polish on your toenail or a pebble that, know, they found in a river. That's something that as a student that you hold on to. Um, you know, I, I can remember tucking little quotes into the corner of my mirror that came from a yoga class. Um, or, you know, I'm looking up on my shelf above me of like all these little meaningful tiny pieces of rock and things that, um, have come my way through, um, You know, whatever, being with my child out, out in nature, but think those little tiny mementos as reminders to be present, Mm hmm. You know, to, to be kind to yourself, to, you know, yourself and that really slow driver in the car line. Um, and even the mentality take away from a yoga class that reminds you to do that is so important. Yeah, it's a physical manifestation of the sense of connection that a student feels with themselves and the practice and that the student can feel with you. And that's a way that we can be of service to and reach our students even when we aren't physically present one to one is to give them lessons and then a reminder of the lesson that they can keep coming back to. Yes. I love that. Will you offer an affirmation for the listeners? Well, since so much of your, this, this first season of your podcast is about, you know, yoga teachers growing confidence and we're talking about theming, think a really beautiful show. Um, personal mantra or affirmation is my voice is powerful. Your voice is powerful and what you say to your students matters. My voice is I love it. My voice is powerful and own your power. That was a theme from the first book. Yeah. Yes. Well, I know, Alexandra, that you will join me in making an appeal to readers to please pre order the book. We've been, um, through this process. Plenty of times and we know how absolutely critical pre orders are to the book success. Um, so pre order is the very best thing that y'all who are listening can do in order to elevate this book. Um, then five star reviews are really great for books. They're also really great for podcasts and, um, even just a five star rating can go a really long way. Um, Please tell your friends about the book. Please tag us on Instagram. If you're posting pictures of the book, it has a gorgeous cover. That is an echo of the cover of the first book, and we cannot wait to get it in your hands. So please let us know how you like it. We are so excited to be of service to you in this new volume. Yeah. Um, but I'll also say too that just, you know, tag us on Instagram, but also I know that listeners are often, you know, they're in group conversations about yoga, whether that's on a WhatsApp group or on Facebook or wherever, please, please share that this book is coming out there. Let other people who love teaching yoga beyond the poses, know that teaching yoga beyond beyond the poses volume two is coming soon, please. You can already find it in Amazon, uh, you know, and I know that there are all your local small booksellers can order it as well. Absolutely. And I will put the link in the show notes. Alexandra, thank you so much for being here. Always it's just a pleasure chatting with you, whether it's in a situation like this or we're just before class, it's always so great to see you Sage. Yay. This is Yoga Teacher Confidential. I'm Sage Rountree and I will see you next time.

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